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I apologize to open a new question for this, but since (because of me) most people have migrated from 'active' to 'newest' (and those who stayed ignore posts 'by me' for obvious and good reasons), this is the only way to reach some audience... Occasion is this comment by Dreamblur here: . @SisterKy Could you please stop retagging a gajillion questions whenever you get online? I appreciate your zeal in trying to better the current system, but you have really been going overboard. You've been retagging locked questions questions that have already been labeled as closed, as well as unanswered questions that have long been abandoned. It doesn't really help anyone to have those retagged since anyone who carelessly clicks on them is definitely not someone who reads tags anyway. Also, since retagging bumps the question, you've been flooding the front page with those types of questions, while pushing the new questions to the back pages. (1 hour ago) Dreamblur . . I am aware of this problem and I apologized for it before, and I apologize again. I already requested that retagging will not be noted as 'activity' anylonger and mattdz promised he'd look into that. Though I am aware that it is not the ideal solution, you can select the 'newest' instead of the 'active' page to avoid my 'spam'. I'm hardly showing up there. Honestly, I'm pretty annoyed about this myself. Doing work for the community should - if not be rewarded - at least not be punished... Being perceived as a Spammer certainly is punishment. Also, I get the feeling my 'real' posts are lost in my own 'spam'. I repeatedly requested to get some feedback on whether what I'm doing is 'the right thing', but nothing... :( However, I'd like to defend my retagging of closed and abandoned questions. 1) since there is no proper tag-search-function implemented, I'm trying to weed out the tag-list, so if you search something manually in the alphabetic list, you have an actual chance to find what you are looking for in any reasonable amout of time. 2) I'd like to especially defend the retagging of the closed topics, as I'm removing all their tags except for 'flagged-for-close' if they have no valuable answer. So they won't show up in the search for a particular topic at all and people might get less frustrated with searching. 3) honestly, I don't think it will make any difference on the annoyance level, whether I retag closed questions or not. If I ignore them, I'll retag others that will get in the way all the same. It's either retagging or no retagging... Well... ok then... let's put it to vote then. Do you think I'm an ass? Do you want me to stop? Then please up-vote Dreamblur. However, if you think I'm doing a good job, I could somewhat need the encouragement... And either way, please comment on my tag-management-topics. Greetz, Ky.
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Personally i find it slightly annoying. I use the active page rather than newest and as such have been reading lots of old posts lately. On the other hand I feel like you've had a real impact on this place and got people talking, which I think is a good thing. I can see the merit in your endevour and I feel like the reasoning is sound, in that you are that making the knowledge base more organised and easier to search. However I feel like there are a number of factors in the system working against you:
I feel like the subset of Unity Questions/Answers that are actually generic, useful and timeless is quite small. I think it would better serve the community to focus on tidying up the good questions and just leaving the unaswered/closed/forgotten questions to continue to collect dust. I would like to add that I really appreciate your enthusiasm, the world could use more people like you. Thank you for your kind words. :) I suppose I will try to focus more on the retagging of useful threads in the near future... (Though I can't promise I can hold back when I see some offensive little single-use-tag that screws up my pretty list! ^^') What are your thoughts on a "link-to-me-I'm-awesome"-Tag? I can't decide on whether this would help or by contrary just screw with things even more...? Greetz, Ky.
Jul 19 '11 at 01:03 PM
SisterKy
and, for the record, I appreciate your enthusiasm. If you want to be the tag police, that's cool, but perhaps wait for dZone to change the behaviour of the bumping before continuing.
Jul 19 '11 at 07:17 PM
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I don't know what kind of person I am in your head, but I don't 'want' to be 'Tag-police', thank you. What I do want, however, is a pretty and efficient tag-system. And for this I am willing to be 'Tag-police'. As you may have noticed, I changed strategy from mass-retagging to selective high-voted topics already. Greetz, Ky.
Jul 19 '11 at 08:14 PM
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As I said in your earlier question, I think having a spread of tags is actually a good thing. That way if people actually do search and have a typo they are more likely to get helped. Perhaps, if you want to be super useful, just make a list, in a text editor of your choice, of tags that are related in some way. (So, for example, max, 3dsmax, 3ds, 3d smax, 3ds Max might all relate to the same 3d editor.) Then, once we have such a list, perhaps Matt@dzon can do some database processing behind the scenes and convert the tags without you having to do any brute force work, or, we can just have a uber-question somewhere that lists the related tags, or, we can ask dZone to consider having some fuzzy logic search that guesses what you are searching for, and gives you more hits. Yes, of course I read your reply. Any user of any skill level can create any tag that they happen think is appropriate to their question. I just can't see how anyone can expect the community to retag every question, or how the community could agree what the 'correct' tag would be.
Jul 19 '11 at 07:13 PM
Graham Dunnett ♦♦
I truly wonder if you are talking about a different one of my comments? Because I don't see any of the information in it got through to you. (- I admit, non of your information is getting through to me either. I don't get it. How can you think that having several tags for the exact same thing might possibly be a good thing?! It defies my logic - ) Wikipedia, advantages and disadvantages of Tags, accentuation by me, quote: When users can freely choose tags (creating a folksonomy, as opposed to selecting terms from a controlled vocabulary), the resulting metadata can include homonyms (the same tags used with different meanings) and synonyms (multiple tags for the same concept), which may lead to inappropriate connections between items and inefficient searches for information about a subject.[15] For example, the tag "orange" may refer to the fruit or the color, and items related to a version of Apple's operating system may be tagged "Mac OS X", "Leopard", "software", or a variety of other terms. Users can also choose tags that are different inflections of words (such as singular and plural),[16] which can contribute to navigation difficulties if the system does not include stemming of tags when searching or browsing. Larger-scale folksonomies address some of the problems of tagging, in that users of tagging systems tend to notice the current use of "tag terms" within these systems, and thus use existing tags in order to easily form connections to related items. In this way, folksonomies collectively develop a partial set of tagging conventions. /quote end There is a reason why people try to form conventions like this. Search for 1 of 20 possible varieties of the same thing. Now if by contrast we have a tag for each spelling, what happens is this: Why we don't want spaces? Because that would reduce the "1 of 20" to a "1 of 10", which would go for a long way of keeping tag-counts to a managable level. Greetz, Ky.
Jul 19 '11 at 08:06 PM
SisterKy
Well said Ky, I agree. I'm a little torn on the spaces thing. The original stack exchange thing disallowed spaces which made us resort to dashes-for-spaces. Ideally I would like to see all of these automagically changed to be spaces. There would still be the same number of tags and they would be more correct. However in the short term that may not be practical/possible so I am happy to concede that a combination some with spaces and some with dashes is significantly worse than pure dashes-for-spaces. Consistency is the name of the game.
Jul 20 '11 at 12:35 AM
_Petroz
Yup, I agree with Ky too. Petroz's suggestion of automatically converting dash-tags is also cool if it could be done.
Jul 20 '11 at 08:14 AM
Herman Tulleken
two more things @Graham... about figuring out the 'correct' tag. That's not so hard. The tag that has the most hits already, that's the one. before my retagging, 3dsmax had been applied to around 70 or 80 questions. All the others varieties together had around 40 to 50. True, it's not always this obvious (e.g. 'tag' and 'tags' are rather equal), but just weeding out the obvious would do so much good already... and about retagging every question. I'm not quite sure who renamed my question, but I sure don't want the community to retag every question. Because -thank god- somewhat over 50% of the Questions already are tagged quite well. Also, I'm not expecting anyone to do anything. I'm just asking for guidance to do something myself. (but just to be safe: that doesn't mean I would be angry if anyone would help O.o ) Needless to say that I agree on the auto-conversion to dash-tags. Greetz, Ky.
Jul 20 '11 at 11:46 AM
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since we got a non-activating retag-button I killed ~ 900 Tags (15 pages of tag-list).... do I get a cookie? Greetz, Ky. just killed 2 pages. Do you know how many versions of scripting and rigidbody people can think of? Is there an option to merge tags? I see don't see the diffrence between vertex shader, vertexshader and vertex-shader, or between windows7, windows 7, windows-7, win7,win 7 or window7
Aug 02 '11 at 08:58 AM
Aldwoni
You are helping!!! =D Ky luvs you!!!! <3 <3 <3 hugs Aldwoni I knooow!!! T_T It's disasterous! People should not be allowed to create tags < 100 rep! Require some spellchecking. And remove all spaces in tags... That would do sooo much for the general health of this community's tagsystem... In fact, there is an option... just: WE don't have it :( only mods can do that... Greetz, Ky.
Aug 02 '11 at 02:09 PM
SisterKy
can't we make a list of tags we want to delete, or merge and then ask the admins to do it for us or (temporary) give is the option? What is the right version of Windows7? one of the six in my last comment?
Aug 03 '11 at 07:27 AM
Aldwoni
we can make such a list. And if I'm not mistaken Graham acctually already suggested it somewhere around here. (the list, not the temporal mod-i-fying of users) I'm not sure how much work it is for the mods to implement it. if it's 'click on 20 tags, select the one it should be merged into and hit ok', that would be a very good solution. If, however it's 'select one tag, select the tag to merge it with, ok, repeat'... it would probably be better to just do it per hand for 1x-to-3x-tags... retagging stuff by hand, I realized that sometimes, cases that seemed to be absolutely clear ('3ds' means '3dsmax') is not so clear after all... as I learned there is also a 'Nintendo 3ds' =/ that should not be slapped in with the heap of 3dsmax =/ So I'm a bit torn about the list........ I would say windows-7 should stay. Greetz, Ky.
Aug 03 '11 at 03:14 PM
SisterKy
where to post the list? I have it in a txt doc if someone needs it. this is everything from S to Z sceneview, scene view, scene-view skinnedmesh, skinned-mesh, skinned mesh slow down, slowdown slowmotion, slow motion, slow-motion smoot-follow, smoothfollow sound effects, sound-effects, splash-screen, splashscreen, split-screen, splitscreen,spltiscreen, split screen, spritemanager-2, sprite manager 2, spritemanager2,sprite-manager-2, standard-assets, standard assets, static-vars, static-variables, static vars, terrain-grass, terrain grass terraintexture, terrian-texture, third person controller, third-person-controller, thirdpersoncontroller, time-time, time.time, tornado-twins, tornadotwins, touchscreen, touch screen tower defense, tower-defense under-water, underwater unity-trial, unity trial unitycrash, unity-crash unityanswers, unity answers, unityengine.object, unityengineobject variable name, var name var, variable, variables, vars, variable names, vars names, vertex-shader, vertexshader,vertex shader, wait for seconds, waitforseconds, walkthrough, walk-through wall-jump, walljump, wall jump webplayer, web-player, web player, web.player, wheelcollider, wheel collider,wheel-collider wheelcollliders, wheel colliders windows7, windows-7,window7, win7, win 7, windows 7, windows xp, windows-xp, xcode4, xcode 4 xyz, x-y-z
Aug 04 '11 at 08:31 AM
Aldwoni
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Wouldn't it help when every person who created a new tag gets the question if the doesn't meant one of the more common tags who looks like his tag.
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As you mentioned, there may be some solution in the near future to prevent re-tagging from bumping questions to the top of the queue. My suggestion is that you stop until that solution is in place. Using the 'newest' view is not the same as using the 'active' view - you don't get to see which questions are actually getting responses/updates with the flood constantly clearing them out. I know they're not the same. It was a compromise-suggestion... But I suppose I'll accept @Petroz proposition and work more selectively to make the valuable answers more accessible... digging up more quality-wise and way less quantity-wise... Near future: keeps fingers crossed. Greetz, Ky.
Jul 19 '11 at 08:32 PM
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I think you should continue retagging the questions, it does not bother me, and its always nice to find the answer your looking for instead for having to ask a question! Also, it might help others think of better tags to use. I think the solution to the 'spam' problem is for UnityAnswers to make the default page open the 'Newest' page, and stop bumping questions if you retag them. So, yeah, I think your doing a great job, and hope you continue! Also, administrators, please take into consideration what I said; please make the default page "Newest".
-Thanks guys!
To reiterate what I said below, the 'newest' page is not a replacement for the 'active' page. You can't see what questions have had any activity except being asked in the 'newest' feed.
The burying is an issue that can't be replaced by changing the default view; it has to happen on the backend or by stopping.
@GBStudios: Thank you for your encouragement =) Very much appreciated.
However, I agree with @ChrisD that the Active Page should stay default 'home'... When no 'maintenance' is occurring, it's the best page to start with. Greetz, Ky.
This at least explains why I keep seeing your footprints!
I think in some cases you're tagged YOUR preference of tags as opposed to the authors and it is debatable whether your interpretation is better or not.
Yes ^^ 'I want to believe' :p ... and I don't see this as a war but merely as a debate...? =/ (I'm sorry. I should learn to just leave some misunderstandings be instead of writing books to clear them up...)
as a matter of fact we already have a drop-down list for tags... unfortunately it's jaggy.
after a comma of the last tag you may not put a space or it won't work.
you may not use capital letters or it won't work.
And you need at least two letters and half a second of patience for the dropdowns to appear... =/
And depending on your browser's display-mode it won't show up at all... (in my normal mode I see dropdowns but no 'footprints'; if I use opera's 'Usermode'-displaymode I see who last edited stuff but no dropdowns -.-)
it's these little things that undermine the effectiveness of the system... =/